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Radio Talk Show Host Fails to Study School Consolidation for Fayette County Study
Not Enough Said project of: Net the Truth Online
Rep. Mahoney Reading Not Enough Said? Poses Study Could Show No Savings by Admin. Consolidation?
Fayette Special: Model for Other Power Grabbing PA State Legislators to Follow
PA Rep. Tim Mahoney Proposal to House Education Cmte Shows Goal To Wrest Local Control
County-wide School District Legislation Allows Board of Commissioners Authority to Equalize District
Not Enough Said on This Issue Site per Proposal for Fayette Vo-Tech/STEM Center
Confirmation Why Herald-Standard Didn't Question Rep. About His Advisory Committee
Plan for Countywide School District Consolidation = Fayette Forward Strategic Plan
Report PA School Consolidation Cost Effectiveness
Rep. Mahoney Claims After Consolidation Savings 15% to 20% Where We Ask?
Is Rep. Tim Mahoney About to Change Structure of School Administration All on His Own?
Herald-Standard & Rep. Tim Mahoney in League to Bait & Switch Public
Candidates for School Directors On the Fence or Supportive Urged to View Wealth of Critical Studies
Herald-Standard Disappointed School Board Candidates Not All Rosey County Consolidation
Study: consolidation of school districts into larger units leads to higher dropout rate!
We Can Hear It Now Some of my Opponents Don't Want The People To Decide
We Can Hear it Now: Are You Against the People Deciding Consolidation Choice
Report PA School Boards Association Study on Consolidation 2009
Cost Savings Claimed 2 Years Before Local Study Begins Now Claim Lowered!
Bid Process? Study Weighted to Cost-Savings Due to Results for Center & Monaca Consolidations?
Does Consolidation into Large District Save Costs?
Did Merged Districts Hold True to Standard & Poor Study: Taxes May Rise in 1 District
Merged Monaca & Center School Districts Less than 2,999 Students!
First Eliminate School Property Taxes, Candidate Says, Then We'll See @ Consolidation?
Central Valley School District: Archetype for (Fayette) County-wide Consolidation?
What is the Impact of Consolidation (into larger district) on Students?
What is the Impact of Consolidation (into larger district) on Rural Community?
No Public Referendum Required for Two or More School Districts to Merge
PA Economy League Report Municipal and School District Functional Mergers & Structural Consolidation
Experts Slam Consolidation Small/Medium Size Districts into Larger One
Not Enough Said Requests Talk Show Host Read Standard & Poor Study
Legislation Designed to Enable Boards of County Commissioners Power to Place Measure on Ballot
Article: PA Legislators Push Plans for School Consolidation
Fayette School Director Candidates Take Opposing View of Countywide Consolidation Plan
Get It Spot On and Don't Cover Up When You Don't
Unified Countywide School District for "Taxation Purposes"
Uniformity in the Course of Study in the Schools of the Several Grades
Rep. Mahoney Meets With Herald Standard Editorial Board
PA Dept. of Ed. Retirees Now Education Management Group Consultants to Conduct Study
Promise Local Sub-districts in Countywide School Retain Local Identity
Book of Quotes by Not Enough Said
Links per county-wide school consolidation issue
Contact Me
Stop Uniform Curriculum County-Wide School Consolidation Power Grab
Fayette County Commissioner Candidates Responses to School Regionalization Question
Tribune-Review article per PA school consolidation legislation
Article: Region to Benefit from 2 New STEM Education Centers
Herald-Standard Article: Unity between Business and Education Needed in Fayette County
Marcellus Shale Gas Program of Interest Not an Endorsement
Radio Talk Show Host: Gas Impact Concerns Citizens Demand DEP Resolve
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Admission of error in commentary as Beware Pushers on Fay West Message Board 

The error:  using older legislation of Rep. Mahoney's HB 351 and posting:
 
There's no "tends to give more power to the government" about it. There would be more power but, there are other considerations whether this would be direct government as the school board directors would not be 'elected.' They would be appointed by members of the board of commissioners.

They'd be a step removed then from the taxpayers
who at least now can hold school board members of 7 school districts directly responsible for their hirings and well nepotism.

there are other considerations whether this would be direct government as the school board directors would not be 'elected.' They would be appointed by members of the board of commissioners.

They'd be a step removed then from the taxpayers

Not Enough Said:

My error was my going by an earlier version of Rep. Mahoney's legislation on county-wide school consolidation, not the re-introduced version of the 2009 House Session. In the latter bill, the county commissioners only appoint a school director in the event there is a vacancy in the "elected" position. Voters in each of the 7 sub-divided areas would elect a director for that representative area. So I was wrong that the commissioners would have a direct role in that regard.

However, should a campaign be mounted for the county-wide consolidated school district, county commissioners would by majority vote alone be able to place the measure on the Fall 2011 Election ballot for the county voters to consider.

None of that changes the situation bigger government would be created, and what is sought by the legislator's measure is a uniform curriculum and the way we do education.

Wed, May 04, 2011 - 1:45 PM
Beware Pushers
In response to commissioner forum 's message:
candidates not answering
It was Vicites and Zimmerlink but it wasnt that they didnt answer. the question asked was what they as commissioners would could do for regionalizing schools and consolidation and both said it wasnt within their power.
That's not how I see the responses. Commissioner candidates had to have been well aware of state Rep. Mahoney's comments in two local newspapers, if not from his former legislation, and those focused on not just a county-wide school district, but also on uniformity and a uniform curriculum. The candidates also had to be aware that Mahoney's proposal has centered on the a so-called 'referendum.'

The question is actually still planned to be pushed to be on the November 2011 ballot, pending, so it is said, the outcome of the $100,000 study on consolidation.

Rep. Mahoney's former legislation has already determined the board of commissioners will have a direct vote in appointing school board members (7) to a county-wide school board.

After all, the 'county' angle means just that, county. County-wide district. One is either for the the body of county commissioners directly having a role in selecting school board members for a COUNTY unified school district or one is not.

Should the referendum question show a majority of 'yes we can' votes, the matter would be in the purvue of the board of county commissioners.

Lohr actually answered he was against bigger government and he implied such would be had in a regionalization of school districts.

"In response to a question regarding the regionalization of public services and school districts, Lohr said he is against big government and that regionalization tends to give more power to the government."

http://www.heraldstandard.com/news/loc al_news/commissioner-candidates-debate -issues/article_ec89bd92-454f-5a0b-9dc 7-ef087a614ed8.html

He's dead on right as that is all 'consolidation' into one COUNTY-wide school district would accomplish - bigger government. I quibble with such "tends to give more power to the government."

Has Lohr read Rep. Mahoney's former 2009 legislation on consolidation?

There's no "tends to give more power to the government" about it. There would be more power but, there are other considerations whether this would be direct government as the school board directors would not be 'elected.' They would be appointed by members of the board of commissioners.

They'd be a step removed then from the taxpayers
who at least now can hold school board members of 7 school districts directly responsible for their hirings and well nepotism.

Zimmerlink did not adequately answer if what she's reported to have said is accurate.

"Zimmerlink said the consolidation of public services and schools is not under the purview of a county commissioner but that she does believe in the elimination and consolidation of certain county government offices."

http://www.heraldstandard.com/news/loc al_news/commissioner-candidates-debate -issues/article_ec89bd92-454f-5a0b-9dc 7-ef087a614ed8.html

There may still be hope for Ambrosini, Vicites, and Zapotosky to see the danger consolidation of public school districts for a uniform curriculum would bring.

And make no mistake, that is what Rep. Tim Mahoney is after. He's said himself, he might not see great savings from the study. 1 percent might be ok with him for all we know. After all, he acknowledged in recent articles he believes we should change the way we do 'education.'

And for Cellurale, too, even though she answered she was for regionalization for public services and for schools, there may be hope to see the so-called already announced cost savings just won't materialize in a consolidated district of some 7 school districts.

Cellurale said she believes in the regionalization of public services and schools, noting that it would save money and benefit the middle-class taxpayer."

She and the others should review the Standard and Poor "Study of Cost-Effectiveness of Consolidating Pennsylvania School Districts. The 2007 study was commissioned to be done by the state Legislative Budget and Finance Committee

http://lbfc.legis.state.pa.us/

Is consolidation of 7 school districts into 1 large public school district what parents and voters really want? If Fayette County schools are low on scoring tests now - using the same public union-tenured teacher system we now enjoy with its crowing results - what is to be expected when the same teachers are reshuffled, the same union-tenure system remains unchallenged, and so much more?

The more being this: any private innovation need not apply here because all would be unified "public" schooling. Vocational-Technical. Cyber School. Alternative School. All public all centralized public using your tax dollars any way desired.

Need a new building for a $50 million vo-tech school for the one unified school district? Hey, we just happen to have such an idea, and some monies are waiting in the wings, too.

And those county-unified-district teacher salaries, the largest chunk of the budget along with other such operating costs, yep those would go down and down to the lowest common denominator. Just like pension packages and health care plans for the usual public suspects.

Once the referendum question makes it to the ballot there is no way to say Stop - any 2 districts can already 'merge' in some way without formal consolidating for any number of potential cost-saving approaches.

There is no way after that to say Stop, we haven't read Volume 2 of the Standard and Poor report which theoretically pairs some of PA school districts to meet the parameters the study shows may bring cost-effectiveness. among those so paired is Brownsville Area school district and it is paired with another small district outside Fayette County.

http://lbfc.legis.state.pa.us/

We'd welcome Lohr and Zimmerlink saying Stop Now. And the others should quickly follow - with a copy of the Standard and Poor study in hand, or at least available on laptops in pdf so others can see for themselves what one study has already adequately conducted - a study of all of the school districts in Pennsylvania.

http://lbfc.legis.state.pa.us/

Fay West Message Board Thread
 
 
Beware Pushers Wed, May 04, 2011 - 1:45 PM
 
 
Archives of threads at Fay West Message Board
 

Not Enough Said:

Talk about 'bloopers' I'd better get this one out there upfront or first off it will continue to haunt me not coming clean now. Maybe things happen for a reason is all I can say, and I have said that many times over these many years.

I also don't want this error to circulate as it might and then be responsible for having somebody else continue the 'error.'

We all know those search engine results go way way back, too and the error could continue into perpetuity if left uncorrected.

I also know state legislator Rep. Tim Mahoney will be a guest on WMBS 590 radio talk show sometime soon with new host, Mark Rafail, and honestly, I don't want the focus, if it comes up during the interview, to veer from important questions concerning the legislator's county-wide school consolidation plan and the already completed Standard and Poor Study both should have read by now.

I had commented here at Fay West on the debate among candidates for county commissioner which was reported on by the Herald-Standard.com.

here's what I said:

"There's no "tends to give more power to the government" about it. There would be more power but, there are other considerations whether this would be direct government as the school board directors would not be 'elected.' They would be appointed by members of the board of commissioners.

They'd be a step removed then from the taxpayers who at least now can hold school board members of 7 school districts directly responsible for their hirings and well nepotism."

http://discuss.faywest.com/uniontown/? thread=20110541123233

I truly apologize for the error. Wet noodles well-deserved. Maybe I should wear an I messed up sign should I attend the Fayette Patriots forum tonight. Ah, no, not "everybody" reads these message boards, blogs, and free websites.

The re-introduced legislation HB 351 Session 2009 is located here:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Le gis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF& amp;sessYr=2009&sessInd=0&bill Body=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0351& amp;pn=0382

I dedicated a page to the error on my site "Not Enough Said"

Get It Spot On and Don't Cover Up When You Don't Page

http://dirtline.tripod.com/notenoughsa id/id24.html

Again I feel badly for this error and beg forgiveness. Maybe things happen for a reason though. Before making the comment here, I did not check my own blog at blogspot where I had commented on the re-introduced legislation back in February, 2009! Talk about lapse of memory, geesh.

PA state Rep. Tim Mahoney's re-introduced bill on school consolidation House Bill 351 Session 2009
 

House Bill 351 pertinent section addresses the election of the board of directors for consolidated school districts 
 
Section 308 (a)
 

At the first municipal election occurring more

than thirty (30) days subsequent to the formation of such new

school district, a board of school directors for such district

shall be elected or appointed, as provided in this act. Such

school directors shall be elected or appointed for such terms

that the number and terms of those whose places are to be filled

at each succeeding municipal election shall be the same as the

number and terms of those whose places are filled at the

corresponding election in other school districts of the same

class.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2009&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0351&pn=0382

Section 308 (c)
 

(c) A countywide board of school directors shall be formed

to govern a countywide school district established under section

224.1. The county shall be divided by the county commissioners

into seven (7) districts of equal population. Each district

shall elect a county school director to serve a term of four (4)

years. The county commissioners shall fill any vacancy in the

office of school director by appointment.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2009&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0351&pn=0382

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