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to shoot down commercial airliners

 911 investigation predetermined? Nov 17, 03 My Question of C-Span guest:

"Ask the C-SPAN Guests" on Washington Journal

Mr. Roemer,

Will you obtain the briefing which was given to President Bush the morning of September 11, 2001, according to Bill Sammon in his book FIGHTING BACK? Will you obtain the notes Bush made on a notepad that morning after he learned of the FIRST PLANE CRASH, but had not yet learned of the second plane crash? Will you ask the President to reveal material which will show the exact time that morning that Bush learned a plane or more than one plane had been hijacked. Also according to Bill Sammon, a secure telephone had been set up in an adjacent room to the second grade classroom in the Booker Elementary School a few hours before Bush arrived. Will you discover the complete details on all previous trips whether this same precaution was taken. Finally, your mind seems made up about the 19 terrorists. Are you aware Insight Magazine exposed that 7 of the terrorists were misidentified, ids were stolen, and the FBI has yet to come forth with an explanation.

End Question to Roemer.

Let's be aware enough to continue to ask pertinent questions when these types of guests appear on C-Span.

Why does C-Span have a guest of this import on the program for only 40 minutes? So few detailed questions can be asked.

Roemer repeatedly referred to the 9/11 terrorists as al Quaeda. But how does he or the FBI know that when a thorough investigation of the stolen ids has not been conducted? Insight Magazine, a well-respected outfit, published a very detailed article showing 7 of the terrorists claimed to be responsible for 9/11 were stolen identities. 7 of the names on the FBI list are of people who are alive!

Roemer did at least seem interested in the timing of any "shoot down" orders, who they came from, etc. He stated that they have learned that there was such an order after 9 a.m.

Well now, that shoot down order could not have come from President George W. Bush. Bush learned of the second plane crash into the World Trade Towers at approximately 9:07 a.m. He remained seated in the second grade classroom for approximately 6 minutes longer, that brings us to 9:13 a.m. He then reportedly went into an adjacent room that had been set up with a secure telephone. Photographs of that by White House photog. He made notes, made some phone calls, revised his speech for the people awaiting him to speak about his education program. He gave the remarks at exactly 9:30 to 9:31 a.m.

According to Bush himself, he didn't talk to Vice President Dick Cheney about any shoot down orders until he was aboard Air Force One.

So, if any shoot down orders were given prior to that, those orders were not given by the President.

For resources and references, see my online work, This is not a Conspiracy Theory




Public Hearing

Friday, May 23, 2003

Hart Senate Office Building
Room 216
Washington, DC

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --

MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

MR. HAMILTON: The Pentagon, yeah.

MR. MINETA: And so I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in listening to the conversation between the young man and the vice president, then at the time I didn't really recognize the significance of that.

And then later I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes away. And so then, at the time we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then I thought, "Oh, my God, did we shoot it down?" And then we had to, with the vice president, go through the Pentagon to check that out.

MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that plane down.

MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.

MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft down.

MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out...



Public Hearing

Friday, May 23, 2003

MR. KEAN: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Commissioner Roemer.

MR. ROEMER: Nice to see you, Mr. Secretary, and nice to see you feeling better and getting around as well, too.

I want to follow up on what happened in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center and try to understand that day a little bit better. You said, if I understood you correctly, that you were not in the room; you were obviously coming from the Department of Transportation, where you had been busy in a meeting in official business, but you had not been in the room when the decision was made -- to what you inferred was a decision made to attempt to shoot down Flight 77 before it crashed into the Pentagon. Is that correct?

MR. MINETA: I didn't know about the order to shoot down. I arrived at the PEOC at about 9:20 a.m. And the president was in Florida, and I believe he was on his way to Louisiana at that point when the conversation that went on between the vice president and the president and the staff that the president had with him.

MR. ROEMER: So when you arrived at 9:20, how much longer was it before you overheard the conversation between the young man and the vice president saying, "Does the order still stand?"

MR. MINETA: Probably about five or six minutes.

MR. ROEMER: So about 9:25 or 9:26. And your inference was that the vice president snapped his head around and said, "Yes, the order still stands." Why did you infer that that was a shoot-down?

MR. MINETA: Just by the nature of all the events going on that day, the scrambling of the aircraft and, I don't know; I guess, just being in the military, you do start thinking about it, an intuitive reaction to certain statements being made.

MR. ROEMER: Who was the young man with the vice president?

MR. MINETA: Frankly, I don't recall.

MR. ROEMER: And was there another line of communication between the vice president -- and you said you saw Mr. Richard Clark on the way in. Was Clark running an operations center as well on that day?

MR. MINETA: Dick was in the Situation Room.

MR. ROEMER: So there was the Situation Room making decisions about what was going to happen on shootdowns --

MR. MINETA: I don't believe they were --

MR. ROEMER: -- as well as the PEOC?

MR. MINETA: I don't believe they were making any decisions. I think they were more information-gathering from various agencies.

MR. ROEMER: Could it have been in the Situation Room where somebody in the Situation Room recommended the shoot-down and the vice president agreed to that?

MR. MINETA: Commissioner Roemer, I would assume that a decision of that nature would have had to be made at a much higher level than the people who were in the Situation Room.

MR. ROEMER: So take me through that...

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